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Offline Buggles

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Re: Regulation is on its way
« Reply #480 on: June 18, 2010, 02:52:27 pm »
The MHRA has been put in its place by the Regulatory Policy Committee!!!  Have a look;

http://regulatorypolicycommittee.independent.gov.uk/rpc/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/MHRA-Nicotine-Containing-Products-final-opinion-for-publication.pdf


Nice one, Thanks Rusty.

Maybe there is hope, or at least another delay.

At present it looks like we are safe until at least June next year.

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Re: Regulation is on its way
« Reply #481 on: June 18, 2010, 06:24:27 pm »
YAY!!! Looks like common sense DOES exist in government somewhere! Great news.

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Re: Regulation is on its way
« Reply #482 on: June 18, 2010, 07:27:34 pm »
YAY!!! Looks like common sense DOES exist in government somewhere! Great news.

The fight is far from over, but it's a very positive step.

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Re: Regulation is on its way
« Reply #483 on: June 19, 2010, 12:09:43 am »
If you're contemplating taking an issue to the ECHR you might want to consider if that debating approach will be constructive...

I concur Rich!

Why I started reading this thread I dont know but your arguments were so compelling I just had to read it through. Far too stressful for a Friday night
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Re: Regulation is on its way
« Reply #484 on: June 19, 2010, 12:36:53 pm »
I know this if off-topic a little but I just wanted to mention my government's latest step to curtail smoking... They are now preventing shop owners from displaying the cigarettes on the shelves. This is so that young people won't see them and think about smoking..

Uh huh.. do I need to say more? :)

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Re: Regulation is on its way
« Reply #485 on: June 19, 2010, 12:43:08 pm »
The MHRA has been put in its place by the Regulatory Policy Committee!!!  Have a look;

http://regulatorypolicycommittee.independent.gov.uk/rpc/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/MHRA-Nicotine-Containing-Products-final-opinion-for-publication.pdf


The scary thing in that document is that it highlights the MHRA's assertion that regulation will lead to more quitters. This is a good argument for them to make because it's one of those things that anti-smoking groups and health nazis like to hear. Mass marketing and commercialisation would accomplish the same thing.. but that is not what this is about.

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Re: Regulation is on its way
« Reply #486 on: June 20, 2010, 07:02:32 pm »
I know this if off-topic a little but I just wanted to mention my government's latest step to curtail smoking... They are now preventing shop owners from displaying the cigarettes on the shelves. This is so that young people won't see them and think about smoking..

Uh huh.. do I need to say more? :)


No, because this is on the cards for UK retail cig sales, I'm just surprised it's not happened yet.  Personally, I think it's crazy - no kid got tempted to start smoking by seeing them on sale - they start because maybe parents smoke, maybe mates smoke, likely to be both. They wanna do what kids do and try it for themselves - making it even more tantalizingly wicked to try out won't help ... and some get hooked, some don't.  So, saying hiding them under the counter will deter smokers and reduce the numbers of minors starting is, imho, sheer b*llocks.  The only thing which I think is a real deterrent is cost, and even then if you're hooked you'll find the money and skimp elsewhere when money is really tight.  The tax on fags really is a tax on the poor - peeps earning shedloads don't give a monkey what price they pay.  This is just another way of the Government being seen to be doing something, to placate the ASH lobby, yet really not reduce tax income...

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Re: Regulation is on its way
« Reply #487 on: June 21, 2010, 12:15:02 am »
I'm as cynical as it's possible to be about Government motives, but when it comes to trying to stamp out (bad pun sorry) smoking it's not really about money, just consider the facts for a moment:

1. Smokers pay a LOT in tax unless they buy exclusively from the EU, the tax take is vastly higher than the expenditure on smoking related illness
2. Smokers tend to die a lot younger so claim far less in pension and old age care which is a very significant cost saving

Dramatically reducing smoking hits revenue and increases costs.

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Re: Regulation is on its way
« Reply #488 on: June 21, 2010, 06:51:38 am »
I'm as cynical as it's possible to be about Government motives, but when it comes to trying to stamp out (bad pun sorry) smoking it's not really about money, just consider the facts for a moment:

1. Smokers pay a LOT in tax unless they buy exclusively from the EU, the tax take is vastly higher than the expenditure on smoking related illness
2. Smokers tend to die a lot younger so claim far less in pension and old age care which is a very significant cost saving

Dramatically reducing smoking hits revenue and increases costs.

I'm cut from the same cloth cap Tyke - my thoughts entirely,,,,it's all about t'Brass   >:( :( ;)

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Re: Regulation is on its way
« Reply #489 on: June 21, 2010, 08:58:01 pm »
yep im with tyke aswell if the Government really wanted smokers to quit they whould force smokers to quit ether by hiking tax up to a levle that no one whould pay or outright banning.

If you pay lots of tax and die young you are a good citizen.


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Re: Regulation is on its way
« Reply #490 on: June 22, 2010, 01:19:17 am »
If you pay lots of tax and die young you are a good citizen.

And if you worked hard all yer life since being a youngster, paid every penny due, and have the audacity to stay living well into retirement... you become a burden to everyone, you're an unaffordable expense to the NHS, you're reminded that everyone still working is paying shedloads for your pension, and you'd do everyone a favour if you died sooner than later, when you're ready.
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Re: Regulation is on its way
« Reply #491 on: June 26, 2010, 02:35:30 pm »
i swear to god if they ban nicotine e-juices im gonna go mental.

hopfully i can source from LF american site and "panic buy" a few years worth of stuff a month or so before the ban came in from this site.

tut just as i kick cigs stuff like this happens bloody goverment scumbags.




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Re: Regulation is on its way
« Reply #492 on: June 26, 2010, 03:14:50 pm »
loose_spirit... I wouldn't worry too much.  There'll be sources aplenty if or when any ban on sale of e-liquids comes into being in the UK.  I'm also sure that (some) UK vendors will apply their entrepreneurial savvy to the situation!  ;)

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Re: Regulation is on its way
« Reply #493 on: June 26, 2010, 04:04:59 pm »
Hi Loose-Spirit.

Don't panic, you have got at least till october and probably until next september to buy in UK.

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Re: Regulation is on its way
« Reply #494 on: June 26, 2010, 05:12:37 pm »
just a bit crap that after a year and half i MAY be forced to quit i can probly saftly say alot of people are worried due to the fact e-cigs helped em give up an rely on em as crutches an if these were banned we would just end up smoking again 1 by one.

its hard to give up cigs cause deep down you really dont want to.and these provide a healthier alternative.

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Re: Regulation is on its way
« Reply #495 on: June 26, 2010, 05:20:22 pm »
When it looked possible that a ban on sales might happen in June I stocked up 500ml of mixing base just in case. I'f that possibility rears its ugly head again I'll top my stocks up again.

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Re: Regulation is on its way
« Reply #496 on: June 26, 2010, 05:38:04 pm »
its a sensible idea if there gonna ban it you might as well benifet from cheaper postage from within the uk than sourcing it afterwards an payin a ton in postage from abroad.

sec the ban touches down (IF IT DOES COME)and its you got till XXXX to get what you want before your to late im gonna make the biggest purchase since the car lulz.