Author Topic: PCC mod (Read 812 times)

Indigo340 · « **on:** February 26, 2012, 09:38:14 pm »

I really like my 510 Titan, in fact I prefer it to my EGO-T in many ways, it has a nice feel and does not look too unusual, it's also simpler to explain it to people who haven't seen e-fags before. The main problem is the small batteries so I have a PCC which has more problems than benefits. It is metal and has corners, not very ergonomic, can only carry 1 battery which must be in the charger slot, can only hold 2 cartridges and 1 atomiser and it looks naff.

I have decided I should mod it and while I'm at it I might as well put a better battery in but am not sure what is in there or what will be the limit as I intend to continue to use the circuitry for charging so I could use a little help on that point. Just to clarify, I will take the circuitry out and re-use it in another case.

This is what i intend to use instead of the metal case http://www.amazon.co.uk/Lowepro-Napoli-Leather-Digital-Camera/dp/B000L4A5IM/ref=pd_sim_sbs_ce_4

I should be able to get the new battery and circuit board down in the bottom with a 501 battery connector on a wire, the USB connector should come out the side and let the LED's be visible through little holes in the front. that would leave plenty of room for bits and bobs, what do you think ?

TopCookie · « **Reply #1 on:** February 26, 2012, 11:19:23 pm »

I think you're barking mad, lol...

Indigo340 · « **Reply #2 on:** February 27, 2012, 01:35:19 am »

Yes you are probably right Cookie but I feel the need for more power in a small leather case. It must be possible to do it, i just can't see myself in public with something that could be mistaken for a bong and having to explain it in detail every time I need my nicotine fix. yes there are some very discreet devices around these days such as the SD but I would probably have to carry 2 or 3 batteries for it and a few carts and it does not have the right feel to it. For this project I just need to buy the case and a connector and a bigger battery and maybe some scraps of leather to divide it up inside.

I prefer to use my 510 in public or at work to something that looks like a shiny vibrator or a bodged up torch.

TopCookie · « **Reply #3 on:** February 27, 2012, 01:38:11 am »

lol... fair enough... but it just seems like a lot of work to pimp an under performing e-cig, when a better idea would be a big battery mod... Chances are you'll end up with one eventually anyway, and I guess the project will at least be fun to do... so kudos to your tinkering skills, but start saving up...

Indigo340 · « **Reply #4 on:** February 27, 2012, 11:23:08 am »

I would not describe my 510i as "under performing" it delivers exactly what I want, in fact it produces much more vapour, is much easier to draw on and is generally much nicer to use than my EGO-T. I have to be careful not to draw too much because the amount of vapour is phenomenal ! It has a very light draw and is a real pleasure to use, flavours are a little muted but I can live with that (an extra drop or two in the mix works well) and TH is low but I'm not a fan of strong TH, it has a warm and mellow flavour and does not look and feel out of place in the hand. The only downside is the 180mah batts but that is why I have the PCC, all in all it is a great replacement for the analogues. (510i from Svensen Zigs)

I figured out that my PCC has a 1200mah batt and would like to double that if it is possible, does anyone know how to determine if this is possible ? As far as I can tell, as long as you use protected batts then they will tell the charger when to stop sending power, in theory the charger will deliver power at the same rate as long as it is called for so putting in a bigger battery just means that charging time is longer.

TopCookie · « **Reply #5 on:** February 27, 2012, 01:25:38 pm »

Indigo, it is the 180mAH that I am referring to when I say under performing mate... I'm sure there's nothing wrong with the atomisers in that unit...

If you switched to a big battery mod, you could be using an e-cig with nearer 3000mAH on hand... that's some difference...

Indigo340 · « **Reply #6 on:** February 27, 2012, 02:37:18 pm »

Agreed, I do sometimes use it on my EGO-T battery and it vapes incredibly well but to me it looks like a lash-up and would not want to use it in public, I feel too self conscious with it. I will try it with a cone to see if it is any better but it's the weight issue.

I really like the size of the 510 with standard battery, it feels right in the hand and also in the mouth.

TopCookie · « **Reply #7 on:** February 27, 2012, 02:54:20 pm »

What you're talking about is really common when folks first start vaping, but the inevitably short life span of those little 180mAH batteries soon gets on folks nerves, and then before you know it you'll be happy to walk around with any e-cig in public... ultimately, it's about keeping off the dreaded fags, and what other people think is of no real use or interest...

I was out and about in Wetherby (Yorkshire) on Saturday, with Provari in hand, with ext cap & Smok DCT Tank on top - a big combination, lol, but sod it...!!! It's not about what other folks think, it's about having the freedom to do what makes you happy and keeps you off those dreaded stinkies...

Indigo340 · « **Reply #8 on:** February 27, 2012, 04:04:48 pm »

Well if you're happy to carry a large handful of exotic hardware round then good for you, and I do agree it doesn't matter what others think. I just don't have the confidence to be so bold. I am a fairly quiet person who does not like to stand out in a crowd, I tend to blend into the background and just naturally like to keep a low profile. I am the kind of person who is easily overlooked and to be honest that suits me fine so using the 510 is just about perfect for me right now, maybe in a few months I will get tired of replacing batteries and be looking for something a bit more dependable, I am going to get some 280mah batts and realise that they are a little longer, I'll just have to see how that "feels" it will be one step at a time.

One thing is for sure though, I am so happy to have discovered the vapour, I wanted to quit the stinkies for some time but could not face the cold turkey method and the patches and gum just don't give any satisfaction. Whereas with vaping I have quit without even trying and hardly notice the difference. I prefer vaping to smoking immensely it is so much nicer !

Grishnákh · « **Reply #9 on:** February 27, 2012, 08:35:45 pm »

Quote from: Indigo340 on February 27, 2012, 04:04:48 pm

Well if you're happy to carry a large handful of exotic hardware round then good for you, and I do agree it doesn't matter what others think. I just don't have the confidence to be so bold.
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Quote from: TopCookie on February 27, 2012, 02:54:20 pm
I was out and about in Wetherby (Yorkshire) on Saturday, with Provari in hand, with ext cap & Smok DCT Tank on top - a big combination, lol, but sod it...!!!
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I got over that in the gents.
They can stare and feel inadequate at my big combination, a man has to pee

smash · « **Reply #10 on:** February 28, 2012, 09:22:42 am »

the easiest way to get over the whole "i don't want people to see me with a fake cigarette" thing is to just do it...same as with any anxiety about being in public. if you're going to stick with the ecigs, you're going to have to use them when you would normally have a smoke. it's as much about habit as it is addiction. alternatively, you could just buy a better pcc. there are ones out there with room for 2 batteries, and a few cartos. there are also pcc's for egos ( http://www.liberty-flights.com/product.asp?id=70 ).

or you could buy that leather case, and a few more batteries so when you leave the house, you have a handful of charges batteries and some carts.

also, a simple charger shouldn't take up too much space though if you want to have a go at making your own, if you're used to soldering surface mount parts.

Indigo340 · « **Reply #11 on:** February 29, 2012, 12:50:53 pm »

Thanks for your input smash, and I agree with you totally I will have to get over the shyness.
One of the main reasons for wanting a better PCC is because I like the 510 so much it is much nicer to use than my EGO-T, it is let down by it's battery though. The PCC is a great idea (to me) but again has battery limitations which I know I can improve on.

The designs I am considering will have at least twice the amount of stored power and be able to charge the bigger 280mah manual batteries about 7 times instead of being limited to the standard 180mah batts which can only be fully charged 4 times in the standard PCC. It will be able to hold 2 batteries and up to 4 attys with carts and a bottle of juice, it fits in your pocket and is only a tiny bit bigger than a 20 pack of cigs.
I could put an even higher rated battery in it but the original is about 1200mah and that takes 4 hours to fully charge up, so twice the power will take twice as long and the as the battery capacity gets bigger the charging time gets longer, I think 8 hours charge time is long enough.
I like tinkering with PCB's and love to have a go at little projects like this but if it goes wrong then I will still be able to use the case to carry plenty of charged batteries and keep my bits and pieces together.

smash · « **Reply #12 on:** February 29, 2012, 01:06:42 pm »

have you thought about using cartomisers? they take up a little less space. and if you need space for attys and carts, switching to cartomisers will give you more.

TopCookie · « **Reply #13 on:** February 29, 2012, 01:34:55 pm »

Indigo... that pcc you're discussing sounds larger than a mod... you'd still have to carry that around with you, all for the sake of re-charging batteries that are well compromised in terms of how much current they can deliver...

Still sounds like a fun project though, but I'd bet good money that you'll conquer your feelings about using a mod in public and end up buying one eventually...

Indigo340 · « **Reply #14 on:** February 29, 2012, 01:57:07 pm »

Yes smash, just today I was checking out clearomisers, that might be the way to go. I can see clear advantages there.

Cookie, as far as mods go you are right, it is bigger than a screwdriver for example but still only the size of a packet of fags and I won't be putting it in my mouth. After trying my EGO-T battery on my 510 atty I am not convinced that I want to follow the e-cig-mod route, it just doesn't do it for the mixes I am using. It makes the vapour too harsh for my taste. maybe the lower capacity batteries are more suited to my mixes and taste buds.

TopCookie · « **Reply #15 on:** February 29, 2012, 02:24:42 pm »

With you all the way on lower voltages dude...

Indigo340 · « **Reply #16 on:** February 29, 2012, 02:48:18 pm »

Technically the 510 and the EGO are the same voltage but obviously the EGO battery holds more charge. That should not make any difference to the vapour though, all I can think is that the 510 batteries power output tails off as the coil gets hot (resistance builds up) whereas the EGO battery delivers more consistent power. So the initial surge of current to the coil from the 510 batt must be higher than it is after a second or two, so the coil is cooler overall. Whatever it is I like it.
I will obviously have to try different atty resistances for comparison but for me it seems the 510 is superior to the EGO, gives a better flavour, nicer experience and lower capacity batteries, although inconvenient, do deliver what I like.
I am using VG with low nicotine mixes between 6% and 8%

TopCookie · « **Reply #17 on:** February 29, 2012, 03:11:35 pm »

Is your eGo battery a genuine Joye version, or one of the Smok versions etc...?

Indigo340 · « **Reply #18 on:** February 29, 2012, 04:12:11 pm »

I don't think it is a genuine Joye version as it has 3.7v whereas the Joytech has 3.4v.

Three press on, three off, indented button

This is the one http://www.ecigsoutlet.co.uk/index.php/Batteries/eGo-T-650-mAh-Battery-Black-blue-LED/garden_flypage.tpl.html

TopCookie · « **Reply #19 on:** February 29, 2012, 04:26:12 pm »

That pic looks genuine enough Indigo, although you'd expect them to say it was Joye... only 3.3 volts (regulated) for genuine Joye by the way...

Indigo340 · « **Reply #20 on:** February 29, 2012, 06:18:08 pm »

That pic show a battery with EGO-T written on it but mine does not have anything written on it.
I did test it one time when it was fully charged and it showed 3.7v so I don't think it's genuine.
I just bought the battery with atty and some empty tanks to try it and although it produces plenty of vapour, it is not very pleasant, it sizzles a lot too and I find that I get liquid in my mouth.

TopCookie · « **Reply #21 on:** February 29, 2012, 07:00:52 pm »

Have you ever tried any of the Boge cartomisers on that battery Indigo...?

Indigo340 · « **Reply #22 on:** February 29, 2012, 08:45:14 pm »

Well no I haven't tried cartomisers yet but am considering giving them a go, the higher capacity is the main attraction. but I read somewhere that VG is not good in carto's because it's too thick.

My main concern is that it must be a smooth and mellow experience, i think I'm right in saying that higher resistance carto's would best suit my taste, is that right ?

What are the advantages of Boge ?

TopCookie · « **Reply #23 on:** February 29, 2012, 09:35:55 pm »

VG is quite clever actually...

Yeah, the Boge cartomisers can be superb... for a smoother and more controlled vape, you would want the 2.7 ohm version...

Normally speaking, Boge are very consistent, although the last batch was less than stellar... But this was with the 2 ohm versions and is unlikely to repeat itself... If you're a shrewd man, wait for them to come in stock and then check the forum for feedback from the gang, as it will be immediately apparent if they are right back on form after the (small) wobble they've just had...

Roo · « **Reply #24 on:** February 29, 2012, 11:36:48 pm »

Quote from: TopCookie on February 29, 2012, 09:35:55 pm

VG is quite clever actually...

VG is wonderful! It's so thick it's like vaping a mouthful of whipped cream

*typo edited*

Grishnákh · « **Reply #25 on:** February 29, 2012, 11:43:01 pm »

Quote from: Roo on February 29, 2012, 11:36:48 pm

Quote from: TopCookie on February 29, 2012, 09:35:55 pm
VG is quite clever actually...

VG is wonderful! It's so think it's like vaping a mouthful of whipped cream

That's very think indeed

smash · « **Reply #26 on:** March 01, 2012, 05:33:37 am »

i'm using lf vg juice in kanger carts and it's pretty damn good. thicker and more enjoyable (as thicker things usually are) than pg juice.

i also thought of another option for you while waiting for a bus today.

http://www.supremenicotine.com/image/cache/data/XL%20PCC%20KIT-500x500.jpg

it's the pcc i have (mine is black on black with black and some more black) up to 8 carts, 2 batteries, they're designed for 808d1 batteries, but it shouldn't be too much work to put on a couple of 510 connections or just get a couple of 808/901 - 510 adapters.

it does take a while to charge the batteries. a lot longer than you standard usb charger. and it's big, about as big as a 50gram pouch of tobacco. and probably a little less than 1/2lb when fully loaded. but it lasts all day and you can have a few different flavours happening.

Indigo340 · « **Reply #27 on:** March 01, 2012, 11:36:46 am »

Thanks for that smash, I have seen a review of one of those but it only had a 1200mah battery, some guy had modded it with an extra 1200mah batt and put in a new PCB.

Here it is


My Mega XL PCC Triple Mod

. It's not a great quality vid and drags on a lot but I could not see what advantage he had gained over my design. I think he was just curious to see f he could do it.

smash · « **Reply #28 on:** March 01, 2012, 11:50:45 am »

yeah, 1200mah seems about right. but if you start the day with 2 charged batteries, i've not come close to draining it in one day.

still probably wouldn't do anything your idea can't. except have flashy leds. but you can add them if you want.

Indigo340 · « **Reply #29 on:** March 01, 2012, 01:46:56 pm »

The standard 510 PCC has a 1300mah battery but the actual output is nearer to 1000mah which is not enough for my use that is why I am upgrading it to 2200mah. I will be using the original PCB which has 3 LED's to indicate charging, discharged etc. which is sufficient although they wont be visible when the lid is closed so it is discreet too. I have decided to do away with the spring terminal for 510 battery connection in favour of a screw on one too. That will allow charging to be uninterrupted when the lid is opened, at which time I will be able to see the LED's.

I am thinking of using some kind of foam insert with holes in to hold atties and cartridges or cartomisers and spare batteries (round pipe insulation looks good but it's difficult to make neat round holes in it) I still haven't found the ideal material, any suggestions ? That blue foam packaging material could work but don't know where to get small amounts.

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